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Canadian music awards create a new category for best heavy metal/hard rock artist !!! - Tiggi - 01-10-2011
I'm with Evil on this one.
I've never really understood the anti-genre attitude. When I categorise anything in my head, things tend to get set out in some sort of visual image which could be described as a map of the facts or items. All the facts & items have links between them, as appropriate, a bit like the images of neurons you see on TV. This "construction" helps me to navigate my memory. Maybe others don't use this type of thing ?!
Anyway, genres are just a navigational tool. Giving a style of music which is significantly different in nature from another a different name is merely using labels to aid navigation & communication.
I don't know the difference between all the Metal sub-genres, but if something's described as Industrial music, which I like and am interested in, the label is useful to help me discriminate it from say, Death Metal which I can't stand.
Humans use labels everywhere.
I fear I'm not going to persuade any of the anti-genre peeps, so I'll duck out at this point.
Peace, dear fellow members...
Canadian music awards create a new category for best heavy metal/hard rock artist !!! - SteveO - 01-10-2011
I agree totally with you and Evil, however I think Crazy Horse is saying come on ...it's getting a little out of hand and ridiculous !!!!! I agree it is !
Tiggi Wrote:I'm with Evil on this one.
I've never really understood the anti-genre attitude. When I categorise anything in my head, things tend to get set out in some sort of visual image which could be described as a map of the facts or items. All the facts & items have links between them, as appropriate, a bit like the images of neurons you see on TV. This "construction" helps me to navigate my memory. Maybe others don't use this type of thing ?!
Anyway, genres are just a navigational tool. Giving a style of music which is significantly different in nature from another a different name is merely using labels to aid navigation & communication.
I don't know the difference between all the Metal sub-genres, but if something's described as Industrial music, which I like and am interested in, the label is useful to help me discriminate it from say, Death Metal which I can't stand.
Humans use labels everywhere.
I fear I'm not going to persuade any of the anti-genre peeps, so I'll duck out at this point.
Peace, dear fellow members...
Canadian music awards create a new category for best heavy metal/hard rock artist !!! - evilB - 01-10-2011
I find it funny that my point accepted and to some degree agreed with the "way too many-genres" argument. For those who do not care because let's face it, it is rather unimportant to worry about the label given.
I certainly do not sweat the "get real' posts as there is a good reason to chuckle at the genre creating mindset - if you cannot laugh at yourself you need to figure out what's not right in your world and fix it so you can be happier. Can I seriously distinguish between "hard-core" and "metal-core"? On most days I'll have great reasons for my labels on a bad day I'll put up my hands and say "enough".
Canadian music awards create a new category for best heavy metal/hard rock artist !!! - SteveO - 02-10-2011
What Industrial music do you like Tiggi ?
Tiggi Wrote:I'm with Evil on this one.
I've never really understood the anti-genre attitude. When I categorise anything in my head, things tend to get set out in some sort of visual image which could be described as a map of the facts or items. All the facts & items have links between them, as appropriate, a bit like the images of neurons you see on TV. This "construction" helps me to navigate my memory. Maybe others don't use this type of thing ?!
Anyway, genres are just a navigational tool. Giving a style of music which is significantly different in nature from another a different name is merely using labels to aid navigation & communication.
I don't know the difference between all the Metal sub-genres, but if something's described as Industrial music, which I like and am interested in, the label is useful to help me discriminate it from say, Death Metal which I can't stand.
Humans use labels everywhere.
I fear I'm not going to persuade any of the anti-genre peeps, so I'll duck out at this point.
Peace, dear fellow members...
Canadian music awards create a new category for best heavy metal/hard rock artist !!! - Music Head - 02-10-2011
SteveO Wrote:What Industrial music do you like Tiggi ?ok fine, I'm not Tiggi
but one of my favorites was always Ministry
Canadian music awards create a new category for best heavy metal/hard rock artist !!! - Tiggi - 02-10-2011
^^ I guess I'm into the more commercial end of things:
Laibach
Nine Inch Nails
Ministry
VAST
Stuff like that.
Canadian music awards create a new category for best heavy metal/hard rock artist !!! - SteveO - 02-10-2011
Good choice, MH !
Music Head Wrote:ok fine, I'm not Tiggi
but one of my favorites was always Ministry
Canadian music awards create a new category for best heavy metal/hard rock artist !!! - SteveO - 02-10-2011
Familiar with all but VAST,,,is industrial that commercial ?
Tiggi Wrote:^^ I guess I'm into the more commercial end of things:
Laibach
Nine Inch Nails
Ministry
VAST
Stuff like that.
Canadian music awards create a new category for best heavy metal/hard rock artist !!! - Tiggi - 02-10-2011
^ That's probably a bad choice of word on my part. Perhaps "successful" would be a better word.
VAST is a one-man-band, plus whatever help he uses on each project. His/their debut Visual Audio Sensory Theater is quite good.
Canadian music awards create a new category for best heavy metal/hard rock artist !!! - CRAZY-HORSE - 02-10-2011
i guess my main objection with Genre's is that if say i say Paul Weller "22 dreams" album and someone says what genre is it?
i cannot tell them one thing or the other as out of the 21 tracks i would say that there are at least 10 different genres/sub genres on the album, and i would just say..."its a Paul Weller album", you either understand that or you dont, i dont have the time or the inclination to do a track by track description to tell you about the album, unless of course i have written about it in the "pw beginners guide" thread, and although i do like the term 'eclectic', what is eclectic to me may not be the same to anyone else.
as for pidgeon holing artists into a Genre, that, for the most part, most truly great artists is impossible to do and i dare anyone to put Neil Young into one slot in the pidgeon hole filing system, you cant, its impossible to do so...but individual tracks and possibly a few of his albums to a degree could be labeled, so i simply i would say he is a musician who plays everything but Metal.
uh yeh...good posts on the subject EvilB.