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How will rock n' roll be remembered? - CRAZY-HORSE - 03-08-2012
Music Head Wrote:yea, but I'm hoping to outlive the painful electronic evolution.
dont have to live through it mate....just keep on playing the albums you have and love!!!!!
How will rock n' roll be remembered? - Jerome - 03-08-2012
There's plenty of beauty in electronica too. JMJ's stuff is almost classical to me. There is also a huge pile of junk out there because the technology is so accessible these days. It's not the instrumentation/equipment that makes music great. It's the creativity in the mind of the composer. You have an idea and then set about transforming the mental into the mechanical. What's happening now is the technology is doing the composing - people are too lazy to actually work at it or to even think - it's easier to press a button and the machine composes something for you. Which, of course, means you are not a composer at all, but an operator of equipment. I've said this before and I'll say it again, you must have the idea in your head before you sit down at the piano/synthesizer/guitar/triangle. There are countless tribute bands out there, but can they come up with an original piece thats emulates the band they are supposed to be paying tribute to? I've not seen or heard of one yet. Rock n Roll is a multitude of influences and I don't think it can ever be compartmentalised in any way. It's too diverse. Great Rock n Roll, however, does have one discerning quality. It's born of original, creative thought. And a lot of effort to arrive at the destination. One hit wonders, however brilliant they were at the time, stayed one hit wonders for only one reason. They could not think of something to follow the hit with. Exit stage left. The artists that have been around for 20/30/40 years have that ability. They can adapt. And they can only do that if they are truly creative. Springsteen/Dylan/Young/Floyd/JMJ/Santana/Simon and all the others. Because they put in the legwork over the years. They have a vision in front of them and they strive to realise that vision, popular or not, because they believe it's right. (Think of Graceland - a complete turnaround for Paul Simon - and a massive success).
Ok what were we talking about again?????
I will now step down from the pulpit........I have to finish reading 'Creativity for Dummies'.
How will rock n' roll be remembered? - Mrrusty1 - 03-08-2012
Well said Jerome
Jerome Wrote:There's plenty of beauty in electronica too. JMJ's stuff is almost classical to me. There is also a huge pile of junk out there because the technology is so accessible these days. It's not the instrumentation/equipment that makes music great. It's the creativity in the mind of the composer. You have an idea and then set about transforming the mental into the mechanical. What's happening now is the technology is doing the composing - people are too lazy to actually work at it or to even think - it's easier to press a button and the machine composes something for you. Which, of course, means you are not a composer at all, but an operator of equipment. I've said this before and I'll say it again, you must have the idea in your head before you sit down at the piano/synthesizer/guitar/triangle. There are countless tribute bands out there, but can they come up with an original piece thats emulates the band they are supposed to be paying tribute to? I've not seen or heard of one yet. Rock n Roll is a multitude of influences and I don't think it can ever be compartmentalised in any way. It's too diverse. Great Rock n Roll, however, does have one discerning quality. It's born of original, creative thought. And a lot of effort to arrive at the destination. One hit wonders, however brilliant they were at the time, stayed one hit wonders for only one reason. They could not think of something to follow the hit with. Exit stage left. The artists that have been around for 20/30/40 years have that ability. They can adapt. And they can only do that if they are truly creative. Springsteen/Dylan/Young/Floyd/JMJ/Santana/Simon and all the others. Because they put in the legwork over the years. They have a vision in front of them and they strive to realise that vision, popular or not, because they believe it's right. (Think of Graceland - a complete turnaround for Paul Simon - and a massive success).
Ok what were we talking about again?????
I will now step down from the pulpit........I have to finish reading 'Creativity for Dummies'.
How will rock n' roll be remembered? - CRAZY-HORSE - 04-08-2012
nice post Jerome!!!!
i think you hit the nail on the head Jerome
most of todays artists have a lifespan of two maybe three albums...its all a part of the 'throwaway generation' IMO
as a footnote...
Dani's daughter loves One Direction,Timomatic,Nikki Minaj etc etc....i keep on saying to her "can you really see these guys being played on the radio in 12,20,30,40 years time,let alone still drawing huge crowds when theyre 50,60 or 70"....
her response is "i'll just delete them from my ipod when im sick of their songs"......enough said!!!!!!
How will rock n' roll be remembered? - Jerome - 04-08-2012
CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:nice post Jerome!!!!
i think you hit the nail on the head Jerome
most of todays artists have a lifespan of two maybe three albums...its all a part of the 'throwaway generation' IMO
as a footnote...
Dani's daughter loves One Direction,Timomatic,Nikki Minaj etc etc....i keep on saying to her "can you really see these guys being played on the radio in 12,20,30,40 years time,let alone still drawing huge crowds when theyre 50,60 or 70"....
her response is "i'll just delete them from my ipod when im sick of their songs"......enough said!!!!!!
CH, I think we place more value on music than the younger generation. I know that's generalising, but it seems to mean more to us.??!!?? I think the new generation regard it more as an entertaining commodity to be consumed and then they move on to the next thing. One of the reasons musical careers tend to be shorter now as well. If you don't pay for something (a la filesharing sites ) does it have any value??? I don't know. Everyone is falling over themselves to stay 'trendy' and in the limelight. That seems to be more important than the work they actually produce. I also think it's a result of the emerging technologies & social networking sites as well. Or maybe I am just getting old....
How will rock n' roll be remembered? - Music Head - 04-08-2012
stop making sense
How will rock n' roll be remembered? - Mrrusty1 - 04-08-2012
yeah i see your point about a lot of the present younger generation seeing music as a throw away commodity in so much as you can now download very easily almost any music that you want. but at the same time I personally find the internet a very usefull tool in my music collecting activities because i can listen to so much more music and i can also research artists and records with the help of sites such as wikidpedia ,as a result of this my own digital collection of music in all genres from heavy metal to jazz and classical hasd filled up a 500gig hard drive in the last year or so I think its just brilliant to be able to hear and collect so much good music..
Jerome Wrote:CH, I think we place more value on music than the younger generation. I know that's generalising, but it seems to mean more to us.??!!?? I think the new generation regard it more as an entertaining commodity to be consumed and then they move on to the next thing. One of the reasons musical careers tend to be shorter now as well. If you don't pay for something (a la filesharing sites ) does it have any value??? I don't know. Everyone is falling over themselves to stay 'trendy' and in the limelight. That seems to be more important than the work they actually produce. I also think it's a result of the emerging technologies & social networking sites as well. Or maybe I am just getting old....
How will rock n' roll be remembered? - TraceNspace - 05-08-2012
CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:nice post Jerome!!!!
i think you hit the nail on the head Jerome
most of todays artists have a lifespan of two maybe three albums...its all a part of the 'throwaway generation' IMO
as a footnote...
Dani's daughter loves One Direction,Timomatic,Nikki Minaj etc etc....i keep on saying to her "can you really see these guys being played on the radio in 12,20,30,40 years time,let alone still drawing huge crowds when theyre 50,60 or 70"....
her response is "i'll just delete them from my ipod when im sick of their songs"......enough said!!!!!!
OK well that's pretty terrible but there is hope! Today I caught my son singing a long to Joe Jackson in the car. It was a cool family moment when we all sang "Is she really going out with him??!!" and he loves Elvis and some others too. I'm hoping to raise a kid with at least some interest in real music.
Forget about him though. I inspired my dear friends 16 year old daughter to start a record collection. I took her record shopping with me. I tease her endlessly about bands she should know and slowly but surely Nicki Minaj is taking a back seat! So I feel like not all hope is lost.
How will rock n' roll be remembered? - Music Head - 05-08-2012
TraceNspace Wrote:......slowly but surely Nicki Minaj is taking a back seat! So I feel like not all hope is lost.
good job Trace
come up and work on my granddaughter
How will rock n' roll be remembered? - SteveO - 05-08-2012
My daughter appreciates all music and if she likes it she buys it regardless of the genre...chip off the old block !!!..lol