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MAG2NYC Wrote:This made me start thinking about the politics of music, and the discussion about Lana Del Rey, who Music Head (I think) classified as "the only woman of substance" in music (I think Lorde is one as well). No matter how much I like a song, I just can't get on board with it if the politics of the artist or the message of the song runs counter to what I value (and I ran into this big time a few years ago when Godsmack released "Cryin' Like a Bitch." I loved the song, but the message was so incredibly offensive and reinforced everything I work to educated against, that I just couldn't (wouldn't?) listen to the song).
Does anyone else struggle with this - or do I just have too much time on my hands? *laughs*
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many artists out there I don't like because of their politics or lifestyle (no, I don't mean gay)
try and not let it influence my opinion of their music but I'm sure it does
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jazzboCR Wrote:You are most definitely NOT alone in this. It's a major reason most modern pop leaves me cold and why I leave it aone--I'm unwilling to wade through the rivers of swill to find good songs that don't brown my berries. This site is valuable in sorting out but with so much older stuff undiscovered, why not let time sort these out to be discovered tomorrow and tomorrow and...? Admittedly, this is a partial function of age but then mores have changed too and I'm unwilling to follow.
To answer a private question publicly, I got interested in jazz in the early 60's as a reaction to the pop swill then being purveyed--put that on hold the first time I heard a Beatles song and the Isley Brothers ...and came back to it in the mid-'90's in similar revulsion.
JazzboCR, scratch my silly question up there. I just discovered your thread with all of your favorite albums and listened to John Mayall sing Sonny Boy Blow! I will work my way through them as I write today, and maybe then I'll have some more intelligent questions to ask!!
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Music Head Wrote:all the time
many artists out there I don't like because of their politics or lifestyle (no, I don't mean gay)
try and not let it influence my opinion of their music but I'm sure it does
Does it ever influence you the other way, Music Head? A song that you might like becomes unlikable when you learn about the artist's views?
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[ QUOTE=MAG2NYC;95373]Does it ever influence you the other way, Music Head? A song that you might like becomes unlikable when you learn about the artist's views?[/QUOTE]
thought that's the way we were talking about
anyway, subconsciously I'm sure it does
but I've never liked a song just because of the artists views on whatever
I'm getting confused
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Music Head Wrote:[QUOTE=MAG2NYC;95373]Does it ever influence you the other way, Music Head? A song that you might like becomes unlikable when you learn about the artist's views? thought that's the way we were talking about
anyway, subconsciously I'm sure it does
but I've never liked a song just because of the artists views on whatever
I'm getting confused[/QUOTE]
Oh crud. I'm sorry, Music Head. You're right, and it was me that got mixed up. Sorry!
One of the big ones is R. Kelly's Ignition. I love that song, but all of his antics (felonies) have made it impossible for me to listen to it and get any joy from it (and I'm frustrated with Lady Gaga for teaming up with him and Terry Richardson for this latest video...talk about undoing the good she's done...).
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There is a thread somewhere on MD that asks the question whether or not an artist's personal life affects your opinion of them as far as listening to them is concerned! I remember Crazy mate saying Paul Weller is a jerk in person because CH bought him a beer and he just took it without saying thank you...lol...a jerk indeed! Then there's the mammoth ego of Paul McCartney to deal with. I think the final general consensus of the thread concluded that if the artist did no harm to a person violently or otherwise then they got a passing grade.
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I'll jump in on this as I mirror Jazz man's music listening history,,,I turned to jazz in 1975,,,heard Charlie Parker's album Now's the Time and I was hooked on jazz primarily until the 90s ...turned to heavy metal, hard rock and avant garde music. I also delved into country with George Jones, Ronnie Milsap, Reba McIntyre, Mickey Gilley, Charlie Rich, Travis Tritt back in the 80s. Then I said the hell with it and went universal...listened to anything at all ...all genres right up to this day! jazzboCR Wrote:You are most definitely NOT alone in this. It's a major reason most modern pop leaves me cold and why I leave it aone--I'm unwilling to wade through the rivers of swill to find good songs that don't brown my berries. This site is valuable in sorting out but with so much older stuff undiscovered, why not let time sort these out to be discovered tomorrow and tomorrow and...? Admittedly, this is a partial function of age but then mores have changed too and I'm unwilling to follow.
To answer a private question publicly, I got interested in jazz in the early 60's as a reaction to the pop swill then being purveyed--put that on hold the first time I heard a Beatles song and the Isley Brothers ...and came back to it in the mid-'90's in similar revulsion.
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New point...and the silly beggars are hosting the Olympics in just two years !!!! I really pray and pity the poor and down trodden of Brazil...what a travesty!
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Thank you for getting us back on track, SteveO!! I'm *trying* not to get too far afield...epic fail! *laughs*
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