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You guys know I'm a huge Eminem fan right?
I'm also a 2pac fan,his lyrics are intelligent especially his latter ones.
Eminem is responsible for bringing rap to "the masses" and mainstream partially because he is white but also because his songs are humorous and catchy.
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CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:You guys know I'm a huge Eminem fan right?
I'm also a 2pac fan,his lyrics are intelligent especially his latter ones.
Eminem is responsible for bringing rap to "the masses" and mainstream partially because he is white but also because his songs are humorous and catchy. I'll just say I like his music more than I like him
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oh crap!
I just called it music
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....lmao.......!!!!
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Posted by: Trawson55 at debate.org
I am against rappers being considered artists and their so called music "rap" should not be considered art or music.
To begin I will define rap:
Slang . blame or punishment, especially for a crime.
Slang . a criminal charge: a murder rap.
So as you can see the word rap has a lot to do with crime and punishment and even murder, so why should this so called music made by "rappers" have such a word as this in there? It is also easy to see why the "rap music" has such things as gang violence, drug$, $ex, alcohol, and pretty much every curse word imagined including not so appropriate nicknames for the female gender and also the now popular and inappropriate word for dark-skinned people (I believe everyone knows what I refer too) are uttered constantly.
Here is a piece of the lyrics for one of these "rap" songs:
Lil Wayne's She Will
I tell her now gon' pop that pu$$y for a real n!gga
I already know that life is deep, but I still dig her
N!ggas is jealous, but really I could care less
I'm in Hell's Kitchen with an apron and a hairnet
Devil on my shoulder, the Lord as my witness
So on my Libra scale, I'm weighing sins and forgiveness
What goes around comes around like a hula hoop
Karma is a b!tch? Well just make sure that b!tch is beautiful
Life on the edge, I'm dangling my feet
I tried to pay attention but attention paid me
Haters can't see me: nose-bleed seats
And today I went shopping and talk is still cheap
I rock to the beat of my drum set
I been at the top for a while and I ain't jump yet
But I'm Ray Charles to the bull$h*t
Now jump up on that d!ck and do a full split!
You can see the sexual sense of this song in just the first verse. The first line and last line are extraordinarily dirty as you can see, "pop that pu$$y for a real n!gga" and "now jump on that d!ck and do a full split".
Do we really want to consider this art and music for the children of our nation to freely listen to as they wish? This song is dirty and that is only the first verse as i said before. There are plenty more verses to this song that i wouldnt even consider reading or even glancing at. The teens and other kids around me in schools listen to this "music" 24/7 and they act like they are going to go join a gang as soon as they are out of high school. some of them dont even think about going to college. The generation i now live in is'nt as respectable as it should have been. todays influences are strong on these kids, and so far good influences have been lacking.
Rap is a bad influence and todays kids have been raised to it. The mentioning of gang's being all that and violence being an everyday thing it is no wonder gang violence has increased dramatically. Rap could even be considered the gangs new recruiter. Here are some statistics of gang violence in 2011:
1.Approximately 772,500 people in the United States belong to gangs. This number tends to grow every year, especially in those cities that have more than 25,000 people living in them. Some statistics have shown that there was an 8% drop between 1999 and 2000 but overall gang violence continues to grow.
2.In Los Angeles 59% of all homicides are gang related. This is true of 53% of all homicides in Chicago. Last year, there were 698 gang related homicides in just these two cities alone. In 130 other cities that have a population of at least 100,000 people there were only 637 homicides.3.More than 24,500 gangs are currently active within the United States. This is a 5% decrease in the number of gangs that were in existence in 1999. However, cities who have a population of more than 25,000 people have reported a small increase in the number of gangs that are causing gang violence within their cities.
4.Forty-five percent of cities that have a population of at least 25,000 people have seen an increase in gang violence over the past two years. In cities with a population of between 50,000 and 99,999 people, there has been a 37% increase in gang violence. Those cities with a population of 100,000 people have reported a 69% increase in gang violence.
5.Approximately 47% of gang members are Hispanic, 31% are African American, 13% are white and 7% are Asian. This is one of the few statistics that seemingly remains fairly steady over the years regardless of the rise and fall in the other statistics about gang violence.
So as you can see gang violence is a big problem right now, and with the amount of rappers singing about it and how its "bad@ss" its no wonder the crime rates and gang activity have increased. We need to make a stand against this supposed form of music! It will be hard but worth it!
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To Blanche_Minim: There are other meanings of rap, to which "rap music" adheres, none of which have violence attaching. "Art" can be downright despicable, and still be art. Outrage at a form or format is one thing; judging artistic merit quite another.
The original author of this piece wants us to slide down the slippery slope, to more eviscerate the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution that's already suffered more than its share of insults and constrictions. If a direct cause of a direct effect can be shown, that is prosecutable under current law without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. This piece shows vengeance, vigilante justice and hysteria--exactly as the Army-McCarthy hearings showed were grievously wrong. It attempts to solve a problem without first showing such problem exists.
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Blanche_Minim Wrote:Posted by: Trawson55 at debate.org
I am against rappers being considered artists and their so called music "rap" should not be considered art or music.
To begin I will define rap:
Slang . blame or punishment, especially for a crime.
Slang . a criminal charge: a murder rap.
So as you can see the word rap has a lot to do with crime and punishment and even murder, so why should this so called music made by "rappers" have such a word as this in there? It is also easy to see why the "rap music" has such things as gang violence, drug$, $ex, alcohol, and pretty much every curse word imagined including not so appropriate nicknames for the female gender and also the now popular and inappropriate word for dark-skinned people (I believe everyone knows what I refer too) are uttered constantly.
Here is a piece of the lyrics for one of these "rap" songs:
Lil Wayne's She Will
I tell her now gon' pop that pu$$y for a real n!gga
I already know that life is deep, but I still dig her
N!ggas is jealous, but really I could care less
I'm in Hell's Kitchen with an apron and a hairnet
Devil on my shoulder, the Lord as my witness
So on my Libra scale, I'm weighing sins and forgiveness
What goes around comes around like a hula hoop
Karma is a b!tch? Well just make sure that b!tch is beautiful
Life on the edge, I'm dangling my feet
I tried to pay attention but attention paid me
Haters can't see me: nose-bleed seats
And today I went shopping and talk is still cheap
I rock to the beat of my drum set
I been at the top for a while and I ain't jump yet
But I'm Ray Charles to the bull$h*t
Now jump up on that d!ck and do a full split!
You can see the sexual sense of this song in just the first verse. The first line and last line are extraordinarily dirty as you can see, "pop that pu$$y for a real n!gga" and "now jump on that d!ck and do a full split".
Do we really want to consider this art and music for the children of our nation to freely listen to as they wish? This song is dirty and that is only the first verse as i said before. There are plenty more verses to this song that i wouldnt even consider reading or even glancing at. The teens and other kids around me in schools listen to this "music" 24/7 and they act like they are going to go join a gang as soon as they are out of high school. some of them dont even think about going to college. The generation i now live in is'nt as respectable as it should have been. todays influences are strong on these kids, and so far good influences have been lacking.
Rap is a bad influence and todays kids have been raised to it.
For comparisons sake, here are a couple of songs from famous rock artists;
Quote:She's got me dizzy, she sees me through to the end
She's got me in her hands and there's no use in pretending
Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen
She drives me crazy, I want to give her all I've got
And she's hot every day and night, there is no doubt about it
Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen
"I don't usually say things like this to girls your age, but when I saw you
coming out of the school that day, that day I knew, I knew, I've got to have
you, I've got to have you."
She's' been around, but she's young and clean
I've got to have her, can't live without her, whoo no
Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah
So clean, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, Christine, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, Christine, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen, Christine, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah
Quote: Iґve got no inhibitions
So keep your keys out of your ignition
I steal a car like I got the curse
I canґt resist the old lady's purse
Jailbait you look so good to me
Jailbait wonґt you set me free
Jailbait you look fine fine fine
I know Iґve got to have you in a matter of time
Well I donґt care if youґre just thirteen
You look too good to be true
I just know that youґre probably clean
Thereґs one lil' thing I got do to you
Jailbait you look so good to me
Jailbait wonґt you set me free
Jailbait you look fine fine fine
I know Iґve got to have you in a matter of time
So tell your mama that Iґm back in town
She likes us boys when itґs time to get down
Sheґs got this craving for the underage
I just might be your mama's brand new rage
Jailbait you look so good to me
Jailbait wonґt you set me free
Jailbait you look fine fine fine
I know I got to have you in a matter of time
Honey you you you look so nice
Sheґs young sheґs tender
Wonґt you please surrender
She's so fine sheґs mine
All the time, all mine mine
Itґs all right baby
Itґs quite all right I asked your mama
Wait a minute officer
Donґt put those handcuffs on me
Put them on her and Iґll share her with you
Jailbait, jailbait
Quote:I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime
I can see that you're fifteen years old
No I don't want your I.D.
And I can see that you're so far from home
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I bet, bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know you can spit like that.
You look so weird and you're so far from home
But you don't really miss your mother
Don't look so scared I'm no mad-brained bear
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime
Oh, yeah
Woo!
I bet your mama don't know that you scatch like that
I bet she don't know you can bite like that.
You say you got a friend, that she's wilder than you
Why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild then she can join in too
It's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I bet you mama don't know you can bite like that
I'll bet she never saw you scratch my back
Quote:Well, she was just 17
You know what I mean
And the way she looked was way beyond compare
So how could I dance with another (Ooh)
When I saw her standing there
Well she looked at me, and I, I could see
That before too long I'd fall in love with her
She wouldn't dance with another (Whooh)
When I saw her standing there
Well, my heart went "boom"
When I crossed that room
And I held her hand in mine...
Whoah, we danced through the night
And we held each other tight
And before too long I fell in love with her
Now I'll never dance with another (Whooh)
Since I saw her standing there
Well, my heart went "boom"
When I crossed that room
And I held her hand in mine...
Whoah, we danced through the night
And we held each other tight
And before too long I fell in love with her
Now I'll never dance with another (Whooh)
Since I saw her standing there
Morality in music went out the door ages ago. Trying to single out rap as being the only sort of immoral music just reeks of cognitive dissonance in an attempt to justify preconceived notions.
jazzboCR Wrote:To Blanche_Minim: There are other meanings of rap, to which "rap music" adheres, none of which have violence attaching. "Art" can be downright despicable, and still be art. Outrage at a form or format is one thing; judging artistic merit quite another.
The original author of this piece wants us to slide down the slippery slope, to more eviscerate the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution that's already suffered more than its share of insults and constrictions. If a direct cause of a direct effect can be shown, that is prosecutable under current law without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. This piece shows vengeance, vigilante justice and hysteria--exactly as the Army-McCarthy hearings showed were grievously wrong. It attempts to solve a problem without first showing such problem exists.
Yep. Spot on JazzBo.
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I feel that this thread would be easily solved if we establish what we could consider as "music", because, taking from what you guy's been saying, it looks like you only disagree because the concept of music is really different between your opinions. If you first establish what you understand for "music", then we would be able to discuss if in that concept we can fit rap, but only argue our personal opinions doesn't seem to take us anywhere. I mean, if you consider music is just sound, then what wouldn't be music?
Anyway, that's a great thread, and I personally respect rap a lot, and consider that, no doubts, a form of music. Also, please, read a little bit about the genre before submit your opinion., instead of only hearing on the radios and reading wikipedia's articles. Sorry for my poor english.
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